Arsenal 1 – 3 Bayern: Müllered

Arsenal 1 – 3 Bayern Munich
Match Report | Highlights | Arsene’s reaction

Last night, we dared to expect the unexpected.

Arsenal went in to the game off the back of a dispiriting defeat to Blackburn, but we hoped that against Bayern we might see the Dr. Jekyll to Saturday’s Mr. Hyde.  We needed an Arsenal display better than anything we’ve seen thus far this season, and we needed Bayern to fall well below their usual standard.

Instead, what we got was about par.  We were hoping for a miracle, but got another ordinary day at the office.  Arsenal looked mediocre next to a truly impressive Bayern side.

Arsenal fans had clung to the idea that we tend to turn it on against the big teams.  However, I’m not sure there’s much evidence to support that theory anymore.  This season we’ve faltered in clashes with both Manchester clubs and Chelsea.  When we come up against top class opposition, we struggle to impose ourselves.

Bayern undoubtedly belong in that top class.  They  were compact, organised, and efficient on the attack.  They reminded me of Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea sides: a powerful core supplemented by blistering wing play.  In the Brazilian Dante, they have one of the best centre-backs I’ve seen in a while.  Sebastian Schweinsteiger is approaching his peak, and they can even afford to leave the likes of Arjen Robben and Mario Gomez on the bench.  They are, in short, far better than us.  I wouldn’t fancy any Premier League side’s chances against them.

That said, we didn’t help ourselves.  Conceding two goals inside just 21 minutes is typical of this Arsenal team.  In his post match press conference, Arsene Wenger spoke once again of “nerves”.  He claims the team’s desire to do well inhibits their performance.  If that really is the case, I’d suggest a good chunk of the fortune we have in the bank is spent on hiring a few sports psychologists.  Elite sportsmen should embrace the highest level of competition, not fear it.

I’d also question the selection of Theo Walcott at centre-forward.  This was too much too soon for a player who has only played a handful of games as a pure striker.  As supporters we throw our heads back in anguish when we see Thomas Vermaelen at left-back or Aaron Ramsey on the right-wing.  For me, Walcott at centre-forward is not much different.  That position is no less specialised than any other.  It takes time to learn the tricks of the trade.  Expecting Walcott to be able to perform there against one of Europe’s best teams seemed a little naive on Arsene’s part.  I can understand dropping Giroud to add an extra body in to midfield, but perhaps Lukas Podolski would have been a better option to play through the middle: unlike Walcott, he has extensive experience in that position.  To be fair to Theo, he wasn’t helped by his team-mates, who seemed to mistake him for Giroud, launching long ball after long ball at the space above his head.  Dante and Van Buyten gobbled these speculative balls up, and Walcott was rendered anonymous.

At the other end, our defending was poor.  Against Bayern, you simply won’t get away with that.  Our flaws were ruthlessly exposed, and the scoreline is a fair reflection of the gulf between the sides.  The only surprise was that an Arsenal-esque mistake from the Germans allowed Lukas Podolski to nick a consolation against his former club.

The tie is all but over.  Arsenal will go to Munich and play for pride, but the solemn expression of Arsene Wenger at his post-match press conference suggests even he believes the damage done in this first leg is irreparable.

I didn’t join the chorus of boos at full-time: Arsenal lost fair and square to a better side.  I hoped for more, but it would have been madness to expect  it.  However, the result has compounded the pain of the FA Cup defeat.  Within the space of a few days, the focus of our season has narrowed dramatically: it’s suddenly looking like fourth or bust.

Arsenal will return to the Premier League on Saturday to fight for the right to return to this European stage.  Last night, Bayern provided a stark reminder that even if we make it back to the Champions League, vast improvement will be required if we’re to do anything more than simply make up the numbers.

Gunnerblog is the brainchild of childbrained football writer James McNicholas. Aside from Gunnerblog, James currently contributes to Bleacher Report, The Mirror and ESPN.

966 Comments

  1. The Saint   •  

    All’s not lost; we can still win a trophy for our Glorious Leader so that he can continue to receive his Champions’ League money for next season! With the Fourth Place Cup Glorious Leader and his Central Committee a.k.a Board of Directors will have the profits they need to be happy. Our place as fans is to be content and to help our Great Leader by paying the highest ticket prices in the league and to continue to fund this Glorious Endeavour. Who are we to demand anything let alone trophies from our Beloved Great Silent Leader? After all we fans exist just to serve and to contribute to profits! To hell with our enemies elsewhere who try to undermine our Great Leader by even suggesting that Fourth Place is not a real trophy; we will have our revenge!

  2. Weslee   •  

    So we lost, get over it. This team should be in second or third place but unfortunately they have not gelled completely. What I have been seeing is the formation of a trophy winning team. I am excited about the longterm future of The Arsenal. The disruptions are over, the core group is in place.

    This is a very very good group of players. When compared to Bayern the only difference that i can see is the length of time the group has played together. Bayern had its ups and downs when it overhauled its team in the past few years. Does the name Michael Ballack ring a bell? The same players brought in from that time period are still together. Keep in mind also that Bayern’s wage structure is much the same as Arsenals. If Arsenal’s group of players are still together next year, I do predict that the trophies will begin being won. Wenger is not at fault. Sure he makes mistakes, but overall when his body of work is looked at he will be seen as one of the very best in the managerial business. He has a youth academy to build, an arsenal stadium to pay for, an arsenal culture to build, now a financial fair play to work with and somehow manage to find players who are not priced like a mega lottery. Many whine about getting the best players and that arsenal should break the bank to win trophies. All i have to say to those who would spend other peoples money with so little regard, is “Man City”, “Liverpool”, and the ever subtle spanish club “Real Madrid”.

    Now imagine this scenario, all of these super clubs playing each other, which one becomes the average and which one becomes the champion? I bet you that the fans of the average ones begins to boo and hiss at their clubs and then demand more spending and firing of the manager. Where does it all stop ?

    Wenger is a great manager who is doing a job to build The Arsenal. Any manager who takes over from him will find themselves winning trophies based on Wenger’s foresight. Wenger stays !!!! Go Arsenal !!!!!!!!!!! If Wenger does decide to go, and it will be his decision, then Moyes is the right man for the job.

    • Adelaide Gooner   •  

      You’re delusional my friend. I’m not even sure you’re being serious. There is as much chance of us winning a trophy next year with the same group of players as there is winning one this year. As for your praise of Wenger, well you just need to look at our amateur defending, lack of penetration or schoolboy errors to see that Wenger is well past it. Sad thing is, I’m not talking about this season, I’m going back 5 years plus. Thanks Arsene but it’s time to go.

      • bergkampdude   •  

        Adelaide Gooner you are right! Anyway for Weslee and the AKBs who want to fund Wenger’s and Gazidis’ and Kronke’s and the players’ multi-million dollar lifestyles, that’s their choice in the delusional hope they cling to. Wenger should do the honorable thing if he really cares about the Arsenal.

        • RealisticGunner   •  

          this is getting old

          for those who HAVEN’T got blinkers on – jus dream about the day thats getting ever so closer ….

          the exit of wenger

          the moment wenger leaves – i will rejoice and praise the lord…it will be a miracle

      • Son of CockHunter13   •  

        Hey Peasant,

        You think it’s easy building £350m stadium with good grass, paying Sir Arsene £7.5 million a year, recruiting quality like Squillaci(£60k a week), Chamakh(£50k a week), Arshavin (£75k a week) and Rosicky (£80k a week) whilst winning 4th place trophy every year? These kind of players do not grow on trees – they’re quality mate.

        • The game   •  

          The grass is still green Think that we are up for a new trophy this year!!

    • shaun   •  

      that was a funny read …..moonshine and kanga piss chaser for you then

    • shaun   •  

      ha ha …moonshine and kanga piss chaser for you then……the team can’t defend and are not fit enough to press the ball when needed and they have zero spirit

    • Bona   •  

      ” Keep in mind also that Bayern’s wage structure is much the same as Arsenals.” Well if that doesn`t highlight how badly managed this club is at present nothing will..

    • hunter13   •  

      well said mate, thats how proper fans think!

      adelaide…go catch a wave dont comment on football please.

      dude dont insult dennis like that…

      ;)

      • Son of CockHunter13   •  

        yes, me and pa know more about Arsenal (even though we’ve never been to a game in our life) than you will ever know. :-)

  3. The Saint   •  

    Are you saying that with this current crop of players Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola, Carlo Ancellotti or even Jurgen Klopp can’t do a better job? The point is that if there are better people out there to do the job (which I believe there are) then why is Wenger so special? If you or I were to screw up at work our bosses would sack and replace us; why is Wenger immune? Because you like his smile? Even Steve Jobs was sacked from Apple once when he started screwing up and he invented the company! Only when he found his mojo again did he return rightfully to the job.

    Fans deserve a lot more than this.

  4. Senderos   •  

    100% agree with Weslee.

  5. Gunner89   •  

    Damn right Weslee. It’s hard to compete with the financial muscle of Bradford and Blackburn and I am sure the 21 point gap in the league is purely down to luck.

  6. Marv Tha' Gooner   •  

    ON THE MONEY WESLEE!

    We missed a LB today. Vermalen didn’t get over the halfway line in the first half. when he did, we had better balance and threatened. But he got caught out for the third.

    Only ONE team can win the Champions League and Bayern, Real Madrid and Barca are probably the best this season.

    All you whiners, go support the spuds or mancs, we don’t need your poison.

  7. john   •  

    It amazes me howevery year we get to Feb and Arsenal’s frailties show. This has happened for 6 years now and still AFC supporters regurgitate the same statements.

    “next year, i think we will win a cup/the league”
    “I think Arsene will sign some class players for next season”

    Although, for a couple of years now AFC fans have stopped saying ” we are two players short of winning the league”

    Arsene’s reign is very much in line with a dictator. if you go to the stadium there are pictures of Wenger and quotes from him.
    very much like Sadam, Moa and Blair(sorry). you see the arrogence in interviews when an interviewer questions Wengers tactics, the smile that say’s “I know so much more than but i will entertain you with your inferior IQ”.

    And with long dictatorships come’s brainwashing. it won’t matter how far Arsenal go downhill, certain fans will still believe the team is going in the right direction. these people have a certain trait.
    People who have a weak sense of identity and tend to experience guilt, great self doubt and black-and-white thinking are more likely to be successfully brainwashed. they will never see the sinking ship, even with the water up to their neck.

    • thinkingmoan   •  

      Sorry mate your talking shite!

      • Bona   •  

        Read between the lines mate. He has got some good points. Only last night I thought the very same thing. I lived in Zimbabwe for a time and when you walk around in government builidings there are pictures all over of Mugabe, even though he is a very bad person. I am not comparing Mugaabe to Wenger, but still there are similarities between how arsenal is run and how most dictatorships are run. Still you can`t compare arsenal to Zimbabwe though…..

        Wenger is arrogant towards fans and journalists. He says he deserves respect, but you earn respect you don`t deserve it. Surly the fans who pay his wages has earned their respect. I am very dissapointed of wenger and how he now handle media, fair enough the pressure is getting to him and the end is near (and that makes me sad) but at the moment the way he handle media is hurting arsenal FC.

        • hunter13   •  

          lmao…arsenal a dictatorship? please mate ….

          has wenger not earned your respect you uncivilised prat? where were you between 96-06? he didnt do much did he? lol..

          the way he handles the media? what about the way the media handle arsenal? you dont see any problems there do you ?

          lol…. piss of you wanker

        • hunter13   •  

          no i cant stop laughing …wenger = mugabe … ahahhaha

          the ambassador of liberal football management described as a dictator by bona on gunnerblog

          “but still there are similarities between how arsenal is run and how most dictatorships are run”

          like what kind of similarities?

          make me laugh…….

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            Yes, you bloody fools, How dare you compare Sir Arsene to Mugabe…..

            He is much more like Stalin, He even has his own bust displayed at the ground, just like the famous Soviet Leader.

            Sir Arsene is good dictator, he pays the keepers of the good grass a fair wage.
            :-)

    • RealisticGunner   •  

      Spot on – and just a matter of time before wenger decides to leave

      can’t wait!!!

  8. Son of CockHunter13   •  

    Big deal, we lost to three teams beginning with the letter “B”. I’ll have you know that teams with beginning with “B” are very strong this season.

    Who cares if it’s only been 8 years without a trophy? But is it really?….

    Moving into a new stadium is worth 3 trophies. Having good grass another 4 trophies. Big profits for shareholders 6 trophies more. And keeping Sir Arsene in a job…..priceless.

    So really it is like winning 13 trophies in 8 years…….not bad eh?

    What other manager has won more trophies than that?

  9. ChrisN   •  

    Jack looked almost in tears and I felt for the guy. I agree we have a great core of players, but I feel that in a way they are hung out to dry every match, because Arsene seems to expect them to do all of the organisation on the pitch themselves. Maybe it’s nice for expressive players to be given the space to express themselves, but it felt like the players had not been sent out fully prepared for Bayern. For us to do well, our wingers critically had to tackle back, and everybody had to make a point of running like mad off the ball to open up spaces, not squaring it and back passing the moment Bayern got tight. Whatever you think of Wenger, surely you must admit that putting Walcott as CF surrounded by mountainous top class centre backs was basically a waste of time and resources. We were massively more dangerous when Giroud came on. For that stupid formation the boss is 100% culpable. Sure there were things that were due to confidence like imprecise passing, but Arsene could help the players feel more confident by organising them and preparing them, and I get the feeling they are just thrown out there and expected to deliver a result, and then personally coached as to their personal failings afterwards. Ferguson has survived because he knows and plays to his strengths and gets other coaches to cover his weaknesses. Arsene does not allow anyone else to cover his weaknesses, and he is very human and has plenty of them. I do not think that we will get anywhere until Arsene takes a long hard look at whether his methods are enough. People bang on about inheriting Graham’s defenders and I mostly disagree, but it is true that there was at least one person who had been schooled in Graham’s organisation-first ideas in all of the great Wenger squads. Be interesting to see whether the trophy less times coincided with the last of them (Keown, wasn’t it?) retiring.

    • Son of CockHunter13   •  

      Who do you think you are questioning our greatest ever manager? Sir Arsene Wenger is the king and should not be questioned (just like Stalin). You’re lucky Sir Arsene is nicer than Stalin, otherwise you’d have been shot for mouthing off such things.

    • Son of CockHunter13   •  

      You fool, Sir Arsene doesn’t need to organise and prepare for other teams….He is Sir Arsene!

      He will force teams to play against us not the other way round. Don’t you remember Fabregas confirmed that they never look at other teams tactics or strengths/weaknesses…..we don’t need to – we bend them to our will. :-)

      In Sir Arsene we trust :-)

  10. Marli   •  

    *Bastian not Sebastian Schweinsteiger

    Amazing how before the match you were criticizing Giroud and wanted him dropped. After the match you said he should’ve played.

  11. Furious George   •  

    Comparing Bayern to Mourinho’s Chelsea is a slight to the former. Bayern play flowwing, attacking football, unlike Chelsea. Secondly, Kroos is getting better each match whole Schweinsteiger is stagnatIng.

    On to Arsenal. Having 3 people play out of position is unacceptable at Champions League level. The team has no depth which can only be blamed on Wenger.

    Furthermore it once again became clear that Wenger didn’t have a tactical plan. Sure Arsenal played a bit deeper and waited for the counter but he details weren’t planned. It seems like Wenger takes a sheet of paper, puts 11 names on it in a 4 3 3 formation and lets the players figure out the rest. Arsenal always plays the same formation, no matter wo the opposition is. The only team that can get away with that is Barcelona because they simple are in a league of their own.

    Finally, anyone who has watched Bayern knows Van Buyten always runs to the first post on corners. How come Mertesacker tracked him the first time but was nowhere near on the second one which led to a goal? Either Wenger didn’t stress this point enough or Mertesacker was sleeping. Either way, the defence looked like a complete mess.

    I can only conclude that Wenger no longer has the players and squad depth to make up for his taftical shortcomings. Because he seems unwilling to overcome this by hiring tactical coaching staff or expand the team, there is only one solution left, which unfortunately is to fire him. He could move up to the board or oversee the youth academy but his time as manager has come to an end.

    • hunter13   •  

      clam down now george dont be a peasant…..who in his right frame of mind would ever fire such a manager? only a crazy person….

      ;)

      • Bona   •  

        This is my plan. Lets say there is 2 million arsenal fans on the planet, we all gether 10 pounds each and send it to untied so they can sign Wilshere from us. I mean it hurts to see him in agony….

        • hunter13   •  

          ahahahaaaaha these totenahm trolls are funny :)u want to sell jack to united? ahahahah

          hey gunnerblog do you pay these twats to be your crowd ? or have you pissed down tottenham so hard they come here for revenge? :)

          • Bona   •  

            This is to easy hunter. I am an idiot for wishing wilsher to united, yet wenger is a top man when he actually does it, or RVP for that matter. It is like stealing candy from a three year old. Game over, I can`t belive you fell for that one. Christ……

          • hunter13   •  

            yes you are an idiot and you prove it with yoru comments… if you were an arsenal fan youd want jack to stay and win trophies for us not advocating his sale like a muppet…on an arsenal blog…lol …. :)

            wenger did not wish robin to united you silly prick……robin wanted out cause he is a bit of pussy and wants others to win it for him instead of leading the team that made him to honours… ….

            fell for what u idiot? you here to talk about arsenal or take the piss out of arsenal as a troll ?

            dont be mad just cause i caught you … :)

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            Bona, please don’t insult my pa – he knows everything about Arsenal (apart from what the inside of the stadium looks like in real life :-) )

            Sir Arsene got another £5 million more selling to Man U then to sell abroad – do you have any idea how much grass seed that will buy? – tell ‘em dad.

            :-)

      • Son of CockHunter13   •  

        Dad, maybe Furious George wants the job. I’m sure all his managerial experience managing top flight clubs will be very useful…..Oh! I’m sorry playing FIFA 13 on xbox doesn’t count ….ROFLPMSL :-)

    • Furious George   •  

      Forgive the typo’s. Writing on a virtual keyboard sucks.

      I really have trouble understanding the people who think success for Arsenal is just around the corner. Surely they can admit the gradual decline in recent years. So why would next year suddenly be different? Drastic measures need to be taken to curb the downward trend but Wenger has been unwilling to do so. Therefore he needs to step aside.

      Let us now consider who would make a suitable successor.

      • hunter13   •  

        why dont you step aside and come back when we start winning things again?

        :)

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            He doesn’t appreciate good grass when he sees it. All he cares about is winning stupid trophies. :-)

          • hunter13   •  

            i know son, it shows :)

      • Son of CockHunter13   •  

        What gradual decline?

        1) Moving from Highbury to State of the Art stadium.
        2) Bad grass to good grass
        3) Replacing Petite, Viera, Henry with Arshavin, Ramsey and Eboue
        4) Winning Overrated Championships and FA cups

        Let me see, maybe you like:

        1) Sam “Real Madrid” Allardyce
        2) Harry “Car window” Redknapp
        3) Neil “Relegation” Warnock

        The only person that should be fired is you from being an Arsenal supporter.

        Support Sir Arsene or fuck off and support Barca or the Mancs :-)

        • Furious George   •  

          Why don’t you step aside and let people have a constructive discussion. We’ll call for a buffoon if we need one.

          • Bona   •  

            He is ironic…

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            The only buffoon on here is you “Furious George”.

            The typos you made are not from a virtual keyboard but more like from a virtual brain. :-)

  12. Last days of Arsene   •  

    the reality of the situation is we arent good enough and Wenger has no one to blame but himself. We are the only team that never, ever beats teams that are better than us but continue to lose to teams that are worse than us!
    Wenger has 1 season to fix things cos lets be honest he’s not getting sacked & unless he decides to jump ship, he’ll be our manager next season.

    Lets hope he salvage what is left of his reputation before he finally leaves

    • Son of CockHunter13   •  

      There’s nothing to fix dummy….don’t you get it.

      We have new Stadium, the money is rolling in, Sir Arsene on below average wages (for a manager of his calibre) – and we have world class players like Rosicky, Squillaci, Djourou, Santos, Arshavin to name but a few.

      :-)

      • Last days of Arsene   •  

        You’re boring mate!
        Maybe you think your mindless rant or sarcasm will change things, but we all know it wont.

        • Furious George   •  

          Hear, hear!

        • hunter13   •  

          and he will press the same tape again till the club repays its stadium in full, and rightly so.

          if you got a problem with that then i suggest you forget arsenal for a while instead of moaning like a git the last 7 years

          you are just too weak to deal with our transition phase. the biggest in our history.

          • hunter13   •  

            ^ ignore above ^ …wrong area …its for bona..

        • Bona   •  

          It is irony, it is a tool you use in written language to make your case by saying one thing and meaning another. He is taking the piss out of hunter 13. He actually means what he writes. Come on people study some litterature….

          • hunter13   •  

            litterature …(??) ..yep teach us please :)

            yep the little bastard is so capable of taking the piss….so succesful…thats why he calls me daddy …. :)

        • Son of CockHunter13   •  

          Last days of Arsene, there’s only one boring cunt on here – and it’s you.

          Now get down on your knees mother fucker and suck my cock.

        • G4L   •  

          Seriously… his sarcasm is dumb… always ranting about green grass as if he was the gardener of the Emirates…

      • Furious George   •  

        The money won’t keep roling in once Arsenal doesn’t qualify for the Champions league anymore.

        Top talents who can be sold on with a profit are less likely to come. The value of new sponsorship deals will stagnate or even fall. Tv rights money will drop, as will CL bonus money. Worse players will lead to less attractive football which will in turn increase pressure on the board to lower ticket prices.

        According to the financial analysis of The Swiss Ramble, Arsenal relies heavily on selling players to keep finances in order, especially now that almost all real estate on the Highbury grounds has been sold.

        It is vital to invest in the team to ensure CL qualification and be able to pay off the debt. Wenger seems unwilling to do so. Therefore he should step aside.

        • hunter13   •  

          and do you think that wenger and the club are stupid to not have safeguarded against such an event?

          plus i dont see what gives you grounds to believe that a top4 place is out of the question….our history under this manager shows otherwise.

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            Dad, maybe Dumbo George has an Economics degree and he can give Sir Arsene and the board financial strategy on taking Arsenal forward?

            Oh No wait!….that’s our manager that has an Economics degree.

            Dumbo George, barely covers being part of the human race :-)

  13. Sir "Wegs" Wegwick   •  

    If you look at the stats (shots, possession), there wasnt much difference between the two teams. The difference was in tactics, set pieces, organisation and clinical finishing.

  14. Bona   •  

    I copied this from arsblog today, it is so true.

    Yawn .. weren’t we here saying the same things with the same downgraded expectations last year .. and the year before last .. and the year before that ..

    We as fans are really getting tired of this ‘not even thrilling’ theme ride with Arsene and the board ..

    Let me tell you the future (by rehashing the Feb/March of the past few years):

    1. Over the next few days, we talk big .. but everybody feels a bit down
    2. Then some fans start going on about how much we should keep going
    3. Then the game against the spudlings comes up, and everybody focuses on that as a make or break.
    4. Then the season ticket renewels are due, then someone somewhere leaks to the press that there is a £4564138431687 million warchest that the board is FINALLY going to give to Wenger, and that Wenger FINALLY is going to spend most of it to compliment the team for the new season.
    5. Then someone else leaks to the press, names of high end players (i can give their names today if you want).
    6. Then Wenger smirks and smiles when he gets asked about his summer dealings and says that he is working on definitely bringing in a player or two but he can’t give names.
    7. Then a few weeks into it when all the season tickets are in.
    Wenger comes out and says he will only buy quality and that we have two special players in each position.
    8. Then the summer slowly passes by, and nothing major happens ..
    9. Then the season starts, and in Feb 2014 just like Feb 2013 and 2012 and 2011 and etc, we are out of all competitions with only a run to 4th place left.
    10. Then we all write posts and articles about how much we need more grit and more players.
    11. Then Arsene press on the tape and here we go again.

    • hunter13   •  

      and he will press the same tape again till the club repays its stadium in full, and rightly so.

      if you got a problem with that then i suggest you forget arsenal for a while instead of moaning like a git the last 7 years

      you are just too weak to deal with our transition phase. the biggest in our history.

      • Last days of Arsene   •  

        Sincerely hope you’re right Hunter, but if we don’t strengthen significantly in the summer, then im afraid i’ll have no choice but to join the Wenger out brigade, not that it’ll Change anything :-(

        • hunter13   •  

          have patience ( if youre trully a fan of arsenal)

          the ones who complain are a bit retarded if you dont mind me saying…they have chosen the period where the club is trying to break even from its stadium investment as a period to moan about titles…

          in short, they have chosen the wrong era to complain about trophies. .

          • Furious George   •  

            We’re talking about Champions League qualification security. Something which has become less of a given in recent years. Don’t even mention the fact that qualifying for the past 15+ years means Arsenal will keep on doing so in the future.

            Don’t call us retarded based on incorrect assumptions about our expectations.

            Furthermore, you imply that good fans are patient ones. If my house is hit by a flood, I prefer to start limiting the damage myself rather than to be patient and wait for the fire department to maybe stop by.

    • Furious George   •  

      Not even the biggest Wenger fanboys can deny this. It’s painful for supporters to admit these points are almost facts.

      • hunter13   •  

        maybe its painful for you cause you misunderstood what the clubs priorities are/were after building a 450m stadium.

        • Bona   •  

          350 mill thank you. And based on official numbers the stadium depth in 2010 was 90 mill, so they paid 240 mill in four years. You do the maths…..

          • hunter13   •  

            oh really thats quite a big depth there in yo mama’s arse ….. ;)

            dont worry about maths, teach us “litterature” first ….. :)

        • Furious George   •  

          Read my point about finances made earlier.

          To answer your comment about the fact that the board have safeguarded the club against revenues decreasing, I think they haven’t. The new sponsor deals have given them some respite but hedging against a sustained period of no CL revenues while maintaining the same level of expenditure (including stadium loan payments ) is simply not possible. Arsenal need to spend to secure bigger returns.

          If you want a completer picture of the club’s finances, read the Swiss Ramble blog.

          • hunter13   •  

            they will spend when the time is right,

            swiss ramble is pro wenger …just saying.. ;)

            he recognises the manager;s outstanding work in making the stadium move possible

            whether the owner/board wants to play it safe or not thats their decission…you cant demand the club takes further risks when they ahve already taken a massive one with the stadium.

            i m getting tired of your moaning to be honest..grow a fucking spine and support your club..noone promised you any trophies and noone signed any contracts with you stating that by year x we will deliver y amount of trophies.

            you either support what the club is trying to do in which case youre welcome or you dont and hopefully the more bad results we get the more of you fuck off and go follow another club…..

          • Furious George   •  

            By growing a spine and being a good supporter you mean being patient, quiet and just accept whatever the club decides to do?

            I express my annoyance towards the current state of affairs exactly because I care about the club and don’t want to see it slide away even further.

            Fine by me if you prefer to be a sheep but that mindset doesn’t solve any problems.

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            No Dumbo George, growing a spine means that what you are the sheep being led by Spurs trolls and anti Sir Arsene media….you’re just one of the herd.

            Now listening to your whining is just plain boring. Why don’t you go on the Man U forums and annoy them – and my dad will see you on there. :-)

        • Last days of Arsene   •  

          What has building a new stadium got to do with defeats to Birmingham in the carling cup a few seasons back, capitulation at Milan last season, the 8-2 thrashing at the hands of United, cup defeats to Bradford & Blackburn?!?
          Why cant we defend, why do we only have 1 striker? why don’t we ever alter our tactics? cos we can all accept is far from fool proof and this has been proved time & time again.
          Theres a lot of things wrong with the club Hunter and its nothing to do with the stadium, like i said earlier how often do we beat teams that are better than us, yet we lose to teams that are worse than us!!!

          Its either the players arent good enough or the manager isnt good enough.
          And when you think about it the manager has to take the flak.

          Im a loyal fan and even if we get relegated, i’d still support the team cos i have no choice but it doesn’t mean i’ll be happy about it.

          • hunter13   •  

            the only thing wrong with the club is its plastic fans ……

        • Bona   •  

          Ay least you got your prediction on the bayern game right. I mean in your mind arsenal won 5-0 while in reality we lost 1-3. Hurray

  15. hunter13   •  

    “Don’t call us retarded based on incorrect assumptions about our expectations.”

    im sorry but if you havent figured out that the club would obviously say “bye bye ” to titles for a good period of ten or even 15 years after building their stadium then its your brain with the problem, not arsenal.

    whats the clubs fault if your expectations are a complete fantasy at this momment in time?

    as for the comment about floods..lol thats a bit dramatic…getting 4th under our financial restraints isnt a flood for crying out loud…

    • Bona   •  

      Wrong again. It is wenger who says before each season that we are title contenders. Man you are just to much…. I don`t know what is worse your naivity or stupidity. Or are you saying Sir Arsene is a liar?

      • hunter13   •  

        what do you want him to say ?

        ” i dont believe in my players?”

        youre full of shit mate.. :)

        • Bona   •  

          So wenger is a liar. Than we have established that.

          And yes he doesn`t belive in his players and the players don`t belive in him. Like RVP against UTD last season.

          • hunter13   •  

            liar? …did he ever promise you anything ?…

            you calling him a liar cause he believes in his players?

            pmsl .. youve lost it bona..go take a nap.

          • Son of CockHunter13   •  

            Look Bona, when he said we would be competing with the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man united….he meant in the catering department. :-)

        • Bona   •  

          It is intersting that you know better than wenger if what he says is true or not. Now think about that for ten minutes before you answere.

          I would say though that he might say things to put pressure on the board. I do hope that is why he said we wouldn`t be a big club if we sold Cesc and Nasri. As it turned out it blew up in his face, maybe not his fault but stil.

          • hunter13   •  

            well i use my brain to determine whether what he says is for pr purposes or not …unlike you.. :)

          • hunter13   •  

            By growing a spine and being a good supporter you mean being patient, quiet and just accept whatever the club decides to do?

            I express my annoyance towards the current state of affairs exactly because I care about the club and don’t want to see it slide away even further.

            Fine by me if you prefer to be a sheep but that mindset doesn’t solve any problems.

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            yes mate …patient and quiet and not complain like an idiot all the time. thats what proper fans do when they understand what the club is trying to do. they give their support. those who dont understand will moan and get frustrated.

            express your annoyance all you want…its still your fault and noone else;s you get annoyed.

            and dont call me sheep i know what i suppoprt and why …youre the ones whove lost trust belief and your marbles.

      • hunter13   •  

        my naivety? lol youre the mug complaining about trophies at a completely wrong era for our club ?

    • Furious George   •  

      Did you even read what I wrote? I said Champions League qualification, not titles or trophies.

      There’s no point in arguing anymore with you as you deliberately misquote or blatantly ignore what I say.

  16. hunter13   •  

    yes george so i repeat cause you clearly didnt get it

    what is this managers record so far regarding season finishes ?

    has he ever dropped from top4 ? no …

    so why worry like a frightened pussycat ? do you not trust your team?

    equally there is no point discussing with a bunch of misguided and ill-informed fans who consider a top4 finnish as a catastrophe (i.e flood)

    • Bona   •  

      When you start correcting peoples gramma than you are realy in desperate need of a good argument. You are running dry mate.

  17. hunter13   •  

    well how can i say it , you are someone who can even articulate your thoughts and sentences and you want to critisise arsenal and their manager? :)

    and who told you im here to argue anything? ..my position is well known..youre the one struggling to convince me about your ridiculous opinions… ;)

    p.s its grammaR you peasant …..its right next to the letter “e” on your wankboard…sorry keyboard…but perhaps you’ve gone blind playing with it all the time.

    i kind of feel guilty a bit for keeping you here till you exposed yourself as a troll who is only here to piss on arsenal.

    :) :) :)

  18. Sir "Wegs" Wegwick   •  

    you are squabbling like kids

  19. Gerard   •  

    So we are not the best team on the league (by far), have a thin squad full of under-performers from lower divisions (bought at bargain price too) and have teams like Everton and Liverpool pushing us out of the top spots (not really a trophy, Arsene).

    But we have amazing revenue, make massive profit from selling our stars (which we take care of in their youth, even if they play 3 games a year and get injured from sitting on the bench) and can recycle the same excuses week-in, week-out.

    Gazidis, Arsene and the board are taking dives in their Scrooge McDuck vault while we are stuck paying the highest priced tickets to watch our just below average team.

    Drives you nuts.

  20. Munitionsman   •  

    Theo tv and jack all backing the manager and saying we shouldn’t sack him. That’s a good sign. The end is near ( even if we are in the middle of it). But we are closer than we were yesterday.

    Wenger out

    • hunter13   •  

      hahah yes muppet because its the fans who decide about the manager…not the owner

      :)

      you can dream spud ..its free…

  21. Munitionsman   •  

    The question is who will lil jack be playing for in 2014? If wenger stays it won’t be us……

  22. Munitionsman   •  

    looks like wengers hand fed media entourage are turning against him and he doesnt “like it up him”. They are “getting in his face” now and its only a matter of time before one of them asks a two footed question and breaks his brain. Ending his top flight career.

    wenger out

  23. The game   •  

    New Board please and out with Arsene Wanker, which other top Four club in Europe Would allow their team to go 8years without one piece of silverwere oh sorry we did win the groundkeeper trophy for finest grass and the FA youth cup… Pleas Arsene Wanker stay with the Arsenal we need more groundkeeper Throphies dont leave Arsenal!!!! Without you we Will end up in the Championship.

  24. shaun   •  

    Come on now …it is purely the arrogance of one man ….why do you think he was so in favour of kronke …and you get drunken cunt’s telling us we know nothing about football and it will be the owner who decides wenger’s future which is fair enough but I am willing to bet money my ten year old son knows more about football than Kronke ….you can see the fool mid game tapping wenger on the shoulder and saying “arsene …Theo is really fast why does he not just pick up the ball and run with it” The point is you do not have to be an expert to see how tactically inept arsene wenger is currently being and his stubborn refusal to change from his beautiful football philosophy where he truly believes any of his special special footballers can play in any position and the more we fans dare to question his methods which are currently clearly not working the more stubborn the man get ‘s .I would not be surprised to see Theo in goal and sagna upfront at the weekend .Seriously though , what’s with his team selection and playing players out of position all the time and what’s wrong with at least trying to play to your strengths . It is almost like he is destroying the players confidence as well as the players look broken I mean poor Theo ….you will get your chance to shine on the Biggest stage to prove yourself , only problem is …you will be on your own against two 6’4 linford Christie look a like’s , we are also putting our main creative force in an unfamiliar position where we know he struggles to influence the game and just to spice things up finally we will sacrifice our beautiful game for you as well by just lumping the ball up field directly to the Bayern defenders whoops sorry I mean to you.Wenger is not even giving the AKB’S any ammunition anymore I mean you get dumb cunts on here saying shit like, you should not expect any form of success until 15 years after your stadium move lol…………………………….lol to be fair that did come from drunken cunt and is a little insulting to the true AKB’S LOL………….LOL .Just feel arsene should really really get some coaching help ,I would really love to see arsene win the champions league as that is the one thing missing from his CV That actually gets you the recognition you deserve as a top coach but sadly he just does not look capable anymore .I actually believe all arsenal fans want wenger to succeed and it is our passion that makes us get so annoyed and abusive as we have seen this for to many years now and we are still going backwards and we just can’t understand what we see as madness .I honestly believe a lot of arsenal fans now think even an average coach could do better with the players at arsene wengers disposal

    • hunter13   •  

      “and we just can’t understand what we see as madness”

      talk for yourself. there are fans who do understand what is going on. it aint that difficult…

      arsenal fc 2006 onwards = we spend f.a and go for the best we can with 4th as jolly good thing since it brings in 30million. and we wont mind selling if the price is right.

      its so simple i could even draw it for you.

      even your kid could draw it for you , im sure it understands a lot better than you :)

  25. ReslisticGunner   •  

    Average coach like Michael laudrup

  26. Munitionsman   •  

    One of the great spin offs of wenger departure will be the exit of wenger supporters like cock hunter. They joined awfc because of him, and they will leave with him with any luck

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