Swansea thoughts: Ramsey does too much and Theo doesn’t do enough

Match Report | Highlights | Arsene’s reaction

I am not a fan of blaming referees for poor results…
…especially in a match like this, when Arsenal had ample time to get back in control of the game.  Slow-motion replays may have shown that Nathan Dyer was guilty of simulation, but in real-time it looked very much like a clumsy tackle.  When you become the first side to score twice at the Liberty Stadium this season and still conspire to lose, the signs suggest our major flaw was a familiar one: a feeble defence.

Still, I’d rather have Sagna back than a substandard signing…
Inevitably, there will be calls to strengthen the squad.  I understand why: Miquel and Djourou struggled at full-back against the pace of Dyer and Sinclair.  But with the likes of Sagna and Gibbs now just a few weeks away from returning to action, I’m just not sure if players of the requisite quality are available in this window.

If I thought Arsene could buy or loan a better reserve full-back than Djourou or Miquel, I’d be all for it.  But none of the names I’ve seen so far – Wayne Bridge, for example – meet that criteria.

Aaron Ramsey was suffering from acute Gerrard-itis…
I don’t doubt Aaron Ramsey’s work-rate.  I have more faith than most in his technical ability.  Where I do think he has plenty of room for improvement is on the mental side of the game.  That’s understandable: he is only just 21.  Unfortunately, after the departure of Cesc and with Wilshere’s injury, he has been a handed a huge responsibility as the main creative midfielder in our team.

Ramsey’s problem is that he tries to do too much.  I’ve always said he reminds me of a young Steven Gerrard, in part because they occasionally seem to share a desire to win games on their own.  Yesterday, on Welsh soil and with the crowd on his back, Ramsey’s head wasn’t quite right.  A footballer can try too hard.  Sometimes he would benefit from keeping his cool, and keeping it simple.  He will learn.

Theo Walcott has regressed in the last few weeks…
In the early part of the season, Walcott was one of our few commendable performers.  Since the win at Chelsea, however, his form has dropped off considerably.  His goal yesterday was his first since that game in October, and a rare moment of quality in another average performance.  I have never bought in to the claims that he is a “good finisher” – for every good goal there is a horrendous miss.  In his brief cameo yesterday, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain showed that he already has more awareness and technical ability.

Thierry Henry…
…impressed me on and off the pitch.  I thought he looked sharp and dynamic when he came on with half an hour to go.  Unfortunately, few of his team-mates seemed to be on the same wavelength.  Henry passed the ball with more speed and urgency than almost anyone else on the field – but often no-one had anticipated or made a run to match his vision.

As for him having words with an Arsenal fan who had booed his own team, I say that’s fair enough.  Robin might be the captain but Henry is probably the most obvious link between the fans and the players, and if he is prepared to take on that sort of responsibility then I’m all for it.

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124 Responses to Swansea thoughts: Ramsey does too much and Theo doesn’t do enough

  1. Dennis

    All very fair points, agree on all counts.

  2. phimagen

    I am in 2 minds about Ramsey. In any case, that position is too important for the club to wait for him to mature and hit his potential. Arsenal needs a more matured (in his performaces) creative midfielder

  3. Jonathon Guzicki`

    Lyon has said that they’re willing to sell Aly Cissokho, and that hes keen to move to the premier league. Apparently he’s available for about 8m. Why aren’t we snapping him up? He’s much better in back than Djourou and Miquel, and we need better than that for Manchester United.

    • John

      We’d have to sell someone first, the team is full.

    • Mat

      and then what? carry 3 LB’s for another 2 seasons? what do you do with Gibbo and Santos?
      Mind you, we could play Santos higher up like we used to do with Eboue on the right, but surely that’s not the solution either.

      • Loh

        Tat’s an easy question to answer! Sell Gibbs!!! In the seasons he had been with us, how many times has he actually played and of the times he played, how many were actually performance worth remembering?

        The guy had his chance and I really don’t see that he is a quality player for Arsenal worth keeping and paying.

        Just sell the guy for whatever money we can get and move on! I say bring in Aly!

        • Munitionsman

          sell squil, JD, Gibbs, delist miquel to reserves where he belongs, same for CFJ who is also too young and not ready. There you go, five slots open for premeir league quality players who are ready and able to play

          throw diaby in for good measure

          But first lets get a proper manager who can be trusted to spend the money

          • Bona

            I agree with you on everyone apart from Diaby. Remeber you said once the same about RVP when he never played a game.

  4. THREE POINTS

    Spot on! I’ve totally given up on the hope that AA will find form again and with he and Walcott consistently under-performing I fear we’ll continue to lose those kind of games. AOC has to start next week. Surely?

    • shaun

      you are kidding right, it is clear for all to see walcott and arshavin are pants and OC is already a much better player so thart means he will not play as wenger is doing what is best for arsenal that much should be clear and if we loose by anything more than four goals on sunday there should be a protest and we are continually getting worse every season and the defensive stats speak for them selves we are the worst in the prem and we are not much better at home …shocking can not believe how we play now

  5. RVB

    I think the alleged question thrown at the team to which Henry responded is fair.

    Where is the bloody fight and character? Not very evident on my TV set.

  6. natty

    If you mention Ramsey in the same breath as Gerrard again the men in white coats will come and take you away. His nickname when he left Cardiff was Rambo now it should be Rosie, the guy plays like a little girl.

    • supporter of arsenal - not wenger

      well thats part of philosophy – turn our players into moist pussys with no spine or backbone – and arrogant as fuck..so arrogant henry blasts his own fans for being brutally honest and telling them about themselves – so what the fan was abusive – you know how much we have paid to watch the underperforming matches

      ffs – henry is a ledgend..but i never knew he was ignorant aswell..though he saw how appalling we was from a distance and thats why he come bk!

    • snethemba

      and also i dont understand how our players do not improve physically but instead seem2 regress. Had he went2 United i bet he would be very strong and live up to the Rambo nickname

  7. frankie frankie

    ‘Arshavin is efficient’. Wenger’s words not mine. This is the worst statement of Arsenal Wenger’s career. AA is only efficient at giving the ball away.

    Ramsey needs a spell on the bench and Walcott needs a spell upfront. I don’t think he should be used in a wide role anymore because he proving he’s not great at it. He is adequate in the position and thats all. I think he should be upfront and nothing else. Either starting from the bench or starting in place of Van Persie in the Carling/FA cup.

    I fear Walcott will leave and be played as a striker somewhere else and score bags of goals.

    The OX and Myiachi have to be used more.

    • Munitionsman

      Myachi should be used more based on what? He has never been seen. May as well make up any name. Another wenger chimera

  8. PTBAG22

    Good on all points except the full back situation. They have played every match since Olympiakos on dec 6th without a first or second string right or left back. That is unacceptable. You are a fool if you think we can afford to wait until gibbs and sagna come back. How many points will we be out of 4th by then? How many points has this cost us already?

  9. ricky

    There are simply too many question marks over too many players within out squad. I’m not a wenger out fan, but what has been going on!?! Our squad is rammed with players who are simply not good enough not to mention those out on loan. Us gooners have seen real quality leave and not replaced. Is it the board, is it wenger, who knows? However one thing is for certain if we do somehow make top 4, it will be a MASSIVE achievement not that any fan I know of would ‘celebrate’ it. Sadly this is the way our beloved arsenal have gone- having to give 110% and hope for abit of luck ontop just to make 4th. Somethings got to be done, but what???

  10. gooner

    Have to agree with you fully. It’s like deploying a 16 year old goalkeeper hoping he’ll be as good as he will at 30. Much as i like rambo the boss threw him in the deep end and they both have to face the music, much as it’s the boss’s problem. All the fans are saying is he’s not good enough for that role in a big team yet which is 100% spot on. What’s more worrying is the hope that jack will come in and save the team straight away. One, he’s been injured for a long time, two, he was the club’s footballer of the year in a different position. Where arteta is excelling. And why is it ok to say miquel is not good enough or djorou is not good enough but a crime to point out the same about rambo? Talk about double standards

    • grumpy pessimist

      if you want to talk about double standards why not also talk about all the chances we keep missing ?! nobody ever speaks about that. everybody goes for the 2 centre-backs that are having to play out of position through no fault of their own but nobody even mentions that there were loads of chances we missed up front. VanPersie missed. Arshavin missed. but does anybody talk about that ? nope. why is it that when Djourou and Miquel make a mistake it definitely costs us points but when VanPersie or Arshavin misses a goal it doesn’t ?

  11. TC

    Theo has had it – 6 years under so called top coaches and in particular AW – he has not improved one bit. Forget new contract – see if you can kid someone to buy him asap. I fear he is worthless as AW has played him so much the secret is out – Theo sucks! I’ve spoken to 5 supporters and not a single one jumped for joy when Theo got his goal. Just the horrible thought that he will play next times as well.

    Play midfielders at full backs in current situation – easy game as its all in front of you. Johan no good because it is always near him and he is a terrible footballer. Another aberration by AW keeping players who simply do not cut it when it counts. In Johans case 6/7 years under AW and he still cannot see it – what a shite coach AW really is.

    • frankie frankie

      Fully agree that Djourou is a terrible footballer. One of the worst i have seen at arsenal. Every touch of the ball is miss controlled.

      I can’t agree that Theo has had it. I feel some players are just not suited to certain positions. I think it was a great idea to blood him in in that position but for the last 3-4 year wenger has been saying he will play him upfront but we are yet to see it. If he fails upfront then we can say he is crap but he will score goals for someone else upfront and wenger again will lose a player for below his value.

      • Welshgazza

        It’s time to bite the bullet and realise that Theo will never make it at Arsenal. As a wide player his crossing is at best poor. He has blinding pace but is very much a “kick and rush” player. If the defender faces up to him high up the pitch Theo kicks the ball past and runs after it. How many times have you seen Theo lose the ball when the defender sits back denying him space behind. Theo is poor at running with/ dribbling the ball. All English opposition know this at negate his only asset….. speed.
        As an English player he will attract an unrealistic selling price eg £20million plus. Sell him and use the money on Hazard and promote the Ox (Far more potential and skill than Theo)

        • Mr Finch

          I agree with Frankie. Theo should be our Michael Owen with his pace. He can also finish too, but he’s not the brightest spark. On the wing everyone knows he’s going to go straight or left. Running at pace, defenders would know he could go either way and if he got past them they’d never catch him. They’d also risk red cards if they got it wrong. Also Arteta should be playing where Ramsey is and Coquelin where Arteta is.

          • snethemba

            yeah i agree with that but bcos Arteta played4 Everton where everyone is expected2 track back Arsene sees his defensive qualities & plays him as a 2nd DM/ withdrawn playmaker jus as he did with Jack after the Bolton loan. Offensively Arteta is quality u can see wen eva he does go forward he makes things happen.Problem is AW somehow cnt teach defence esp2 our AM/playmakers so if a decent one comes in frm ur Boltons, Everton etc he is very likely 2 be deployed alongside Song as a DM

  12. ClvnGnr

    Maybe arsenal need an Eboue. Hahaha I know but think about. It wouldnt be wise to buy a fullback when we have gibbs sagna Santos and jenkinson. We need a versatile player who can plug gaps in fullback, midfield or out wide, aka an Eboue. Obviously without all the clumsiness.

  13. Sheila

    Theo has regressed? By what standard? And doesn’t that imply that he had, at some point progressed? I dare you to prove it.

  14. 5am

    Leighton Baines for a cash strapped Everton would be interesting – he scores goals too!

  15. kitchener_road

    re Cissokho; do we really need any more French duds?

  16. Tunde

    I love Ramsey and I think hhe should remain wwwith us,cos he will become a world class midfielder in no time. However,he has to work on his mentality. And avoid giiving the ball away too many times. He does it a lot and its really getting on my nerves as fan

  17. Thundertinygooner

    Your analysis is very fair although I like Ramsey and think he is a real talent.the Ferrara comparison is very apposite.I think he will be a very good player indeed but yesterday he missed Arteta. We are going into games with 9 players when we play AA and Walcott. They have both been very disappointing.
    As for full-backsa we cannot invest in another one unless we ditch Gibbs on the grounds of injury.Neither ago bs or Santos is a brilliant defender and if we ever had a completely fit team I think Vermaelen might be usedat left back because Koscielny is too good to drop and Mertesacker does bring some poise to the defence. With Sagna at right-back and Wilshere back I think we would be very much stronger but need better quality on the flanks.AOC is clearly a solution but I’m no fan of Gervinho and I think we need a better left sided player.we won’t sign Hazard now and missed out on Mata so I suspect he wil turn to Pires !

  18. Jekyll

    Your words belie the lack of urgency and complacency that seem to infest the club. Do you really buy the Wenger line that no one is available? You dont think it’s simply that he doesn’t like and has become incompetent in the transfer market? A full back should have been brought in at the very beginning of January. These are actual points each game is worth, it’s not the training ground. 4th is slipping away dangerously quickly.

  19. TaylorD

    If we had Diaby and Wilshere fit, i would suggest we send ramsey out on loan ,like frimpong, to another epl or bundesliga or la liga side.

    Also i think Arshavin still has it, but he needs a kick in the arse by henry or the coaching staff to get him to pull his finger out of his arse.

    also we should just wait for sagna and gibbs to come back unless we can cissokho or taiwo on loan.

    But this summer we need to sign a gotze or a eriksen because i like arteta but we need better to win titles and dominate manchester

  20. Nodnol

    Too many instances every match of giving away possession too cheaply. Ramsey tries hard but he is predictable, often going backwards & losing momentum in attack, failing to spot runs or through balls and dwelling too long on the ball & getting tackled. We desperately miss the vision of Cesc, and Jack Wilshere. Song has been the only one threading passes into space for people to run on to.

  21. CTG

    Wenger is asking too much from a team who are frankly average. We need to pass the ball faster too be able to create the type of chances the manager is demanding, yet we keep on going sideways. The young promising players are not getting enough time to develop themselves as complete footballers and it then appears as if we’re a team of one trick ponies.

  22. Nodnol

    Ox should be getting in ahead of Walcott. I’d also prefer AOC over Rosicky, Ramsey, Arshavin, Benayoun… Let him off the leash Arsene!!
    And please please pleeease offload all our duds. Squillachi first. Why oh why did we ever sign Park C Young? He is being subbed off during reserve games let alone any use to the 1st team!

  23. meman

    How fickle ramsey was the maker of the 1st goal He also should have been the mastermind behind the 2nd which was straight at Vorm 2-0 up and we are buzzin a dubious penalty which destroyed the lad & suddenly hes a poor player wake up Arsenals true fans theres still half a season to go yet

    you have a right to voice your thoughts but soo much negativity wont help the lads

    • grumpy pessimist

      it was Arshavin for the first goal who set up VanPersie. get your facts straight.

      • meman

        have a look where it started from get your facts right misery guts

  24. Bona

    AW is sutch a terrible coach. AA is waste of time these days playing on the wing. If AA is ever gonna play a good game again, we should play like in the old days, 4-4-2 with AA and RVP up front, finaly give AA a chance to play in his best position. Like he did against Bolton, and was realy good. AW went from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 to accomadate Cesc, well he is not here anymore. 4-4-2 from now on is the solution. Ramsey is no cesc, neither is AA, but AA is as close as we come these days.

    My patience is over as far as AW is concerned, I belive we need something new to spark this team, and I belive re-signing of Henry will be the start of the fall for AW. Surley it is time for a change if we drop out of top 4 as we already have.

  25. gun

    Ramsey is the most overrated player in the present Arsenal team. He is not going to be anywhere near Gerrard’s standard. If we are not going to sign a worldclass playmaker i doubt our chance for a europa league qualification

  26. meaner

    Ramilson.. cannot score, cannot create. Losing possession is his specialty. He can jolly fark off from Arsenal and join his blood brother Denilson.

  27. The BearMan

    What all the Arsenal players have to grasp it is not simply about making it into the first team. But about delivering a first team performance every match.

    One thing the business end of the Premiership does: is exposes weak, average and quality individuals. Players reputation dies! Arsenal once again find itself exposed and lacking 4 quality players to be combative team.

  28. Wegin van Wegsie

    We only lost 3-2. Which means that our strikers are still very good and it’s just a matter of bad luck with refs, injuries, etc. We are 80% of the way there, and the last 20% is out of our hands.

    Let’s cheer ourselves up by extending more contracts!

    • Gooner 4 Life

      Please tell me that was sarcasm

  29. Greg

    As a non-English fan of Arsenal who watches all the games, but doesn’t interact with many fans, I’m consistently mystified by the content of the comments on Arsenal blogs.

    Does anybody actually like Arsenal? I mean, I realize it was a frustrating loss and things aren’t perfect at the club, but the venom in the comments sections of every blog is astonishing.

    Basically every person at the club, bar RvP, is the target of rocket-fueled hatred so fierce that you couldn’t even imagine a Spurs fan writing it. Did some guys have a bad game or a bad series of games? Of course. I just don’t understand how that translates to the things I read here and on other blogs.

    I’m not saying that everyone should be a pollyanna or take a blind eye to the club’s weak spots, but if you hate so much about Arsenal, why bother supporting them?

    I follow a lot of different sports and I’ve supported some dreadful teams in my day. Downright awful teams that didn’t work hard and got paid a ton of money. Arsenal is not one of them. They’re a good side with plenty of likable characters that isn’t quite as good as the absolute best teams in world football.

    Is this really what the fan base is like?

    • Munitionsman

      Basically the venom is a result of Wenger systematically dismantling the club and the club becoming less competitive year on year by selling what assets it has in order for wenger to make his nett transfer KPI’s and get his bonus. The players get the abuse which isnt fair, but thats the reason nonetheless

    • grumpy pessimist

      some of the criticism is justified but there definitely are some here who are actually spurs fans and just come to make mischief. so don’t believe everything you read and no this is not what the fanbase is like.

  30. strangelet

    Ramsey puts a shift in but cant defend, the reason arteta looks good is that he knows how to put a defensive shift in from his Everton days, its symptomatic of AFC no one seems to have a clue about defending. AW just does not seem to care about the midfielders and the attackers defensive duties.

  31. Stevieo

    This site is regressing at the same rate as the team.

    Wanadoo’s persistence with explaining the bleeding obvious to some of the deadheads on here is commendable. Yet there are still prats on here defending the carnage that Wenger is wreaking at the club.

    The site does provide great comedy value though. The latest edition to the Bona and Enjoy ‘lets talk bollocks’ club is the grumpy pessimist.

    What I find most hilarious in this blog is the analysis that goes on with each and every dire performance. The head scratching as to how we drew against Wolves at home. The pondering of how the great Fulham played us off the park. The scrutiny as to how cash-rich Swansea beat us. But to the grumpy pessimist defeat at Swansea is quite acceptable, because only United have won there this season?

    And then the solutions to our problems are put forward. Great bedtime reading. Playing centre backs like Djourou at fullback position is the problem. Wherever you play this clown he will create us problems. Funny how a decent player like TV can adapt to playing full back. Isn’t that what Wenger likes in his squad, versatility. But we don’t need to buy/loan a fullback because Gibbs will be back soon? Just how is this useless crock a solution?

    Then there’s the great Walcott debate. Sheila is spot on. A handful of decent games in his 6 year career, and now GS says he has regressed? And now Chamberlain is the solution. Everyone crying out for him to replace Walcott. A guy that has played 90 minutes of top flight football is hopefully going to be the solution? This is how the club operates. Kids are put in the team, and they either sink or swim. Only, if they sink, we have several years of enduring it.

    All this analysis as to our problems is churned over and over, but Wenger’s solution is to persist on and on with the same dross and same tactics over and over again. Only will solutions be found when this parasite leaves, as Wenger is the problem.

    Usually big clubs talk in terms of winning trophies ie I don’t think we’ll win anything this year. Not at Arsenal, we talk in terms of we won’t finish in the top 4 this year. Hopefully, we should make the Europa League. If City can win the Beer Cup it’ll free up another spot. I used to dread us playing in that shit excuse for a cup. The ignominy that United have, we will have next season. But at least we will have qualifed for it properly with a shit league standing.

    Europa League football is what this cub, the management and players deserve. And the fans that have backed this shit with loyalty to Wenger deserve it too. Sunday football every other week. No more Saturday football as God intended it to be. A whole season’s fixtures moved around to suit a tinpot cup with zero credence. Disgraceful.

    And now Henry is arguing with unhappy fans. No wonder you agree with him GS. I suppose fans should pay their money and accept the dross team selections and inept performances, and just put up with it. These must have been Spurs fans infiltrating the away end to question the commitment of our prima donnas. It’s alright for Henry though, he’s only got to put up playing with this outfit for a couple of months. He must be counting down the days to get back to America and play some decent football.

    • Munitionsman

      Well said as always

      • shaun

        totally agree and this is not venom but simpily the truth “Playing centre backs like Djourou at fullback position is the problem. Wherever you play this clown he will create us problems. ” exactly and if you play the other masterclass signing of squillar fool then arsenal loose simple as these players make game changing mistakes every game .we as english fans are passionate about our club and we love arsenal football club and lets be honest the mangement of arsenal football club at the moment is not only bad it is shocking

    • Bona

      The funny fact about you is that you can`t read or you are in fact stupid. If you had learned how to read, you would know that I try to see both sides of the poor situation that AFC is in, I`m sorry about that! I`ll be more like you in future, only come on this page when we fail, and be a true Spurs fan like you;)

      I`ll give you another chance “Jack-ass” to read it right. The problem with you is the fact that you are such a dumb fool, takes away all your good arguments, and even when I agree with you, and that is often, the fact that you write everything in such a foolish way, just make me think that you are in fact wrong when you are correct. That is such an ironi;)

      • supporter of arsenal - not wenger

        all these insults to STEVIO sound to be a retaliation because you know how RIGHT he is…

        Stevio always hits the nail on the head and what he says isnt for the feint hearted (bona + other arselicking fans)…so when you hear the COLD,BLUNT truth from us you get all emotional and start with the cursing

        reitirating what stevio said.. so TRUE at that (and if you cant take it, take a hike to planet delusion) – “Only will solutions be found when this parasite leaves, as Wenger is the problem.”

        ah well our kids kids might see less embarrassing..pathetic times lol

        • Bona

          I see you can`t read either, stevio arslicking fan! Read what I wrote, please. It is not what he writes, it is how. He sounds like the original EDF, unemployed fuck, and he has never, ever said anything positiv about arsenal ever. And when you don`t see any positive ever you are not a normal human being. And def not an arsenal fan.

    • grumpy pessimist

      thankyou for the kind words.

      you seem to have misunderstood

      what i wrote. never did i say

      defeat to swansea was

      acceptable. i tried to point

      out that swansea aren’t the

      pushovers that everybody seems

      to believe they are. and i

      backed my point up by providing

      a statistic. they had only lost

      1 game at home in 10 – to

      manchester united. won 4 and

      drawn 5. only conceded 4 goals

      at home before our match. only

      manchester city are the other

      team to have let in only 4

      goals at home. the only other

      team who is close to them is

      ironically arsenal (for all the

      flack our defence gets and a

      makeshift defence at that) with

      6 home goals. then liverpool

      with 8. and spurs with 9.

      only manchester city and liverpool are undefeated at home. only spurs, arsenal and swansea have lost 1 game at home. the rest have lost more than once.

      check this out – http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11731/7436000/Pass-masters

      do scroll down and have a look at the tables if you don’t have time to read the whole article. its a fascinating look at how swansea compare to the top clubs in EUROPE.

      hopefully that puts it in perspective and supports what i was on about.

      moving onto our famed fullbacks and backup players. Djourou and Miquel aren’t supposed to be playing every game for us. that is why we have Sagna and Jenkinson as RBs and Gibbs and Santos as LBs. how often is it that 4 fullbacks get injured simultaneously – ONLY at arsenal. could you have imagined this would happen at the start of the season ? NO. we are having a fullback crisis and somehow managing to deal with it. Djourou is supposed to be 4th choice CB and people are having a go at him for not being good enough – wake the fuck up fool. or show me another 4th choice who’d be happy to sit on the bench all season. if we hadn’t any injuries at FB, the only games Djourou would be getting are carling cup and fa cup games. we’d then be arguing why we have so many defenders. some people are never satisfied, don’t get it and comment like they’re experts.
      Miquel isn’t supposed to be part of the first team but he’s having to because 3 other players who should play in front of him are all out. how often does it happen ?! you’ve got to be out of your mind to think that a manager should prepare for having 5 defenders out at the same time and somehow have a plan to meet that problem while also ensuring that once all 5 are back that the backups should still sit on the bench happily. essentially you’re saying that our backup should be good enough to face barcelona and other top teams but not be good enough to leave our club and go to any other top team when our first choice players are available – wishful thinking. doesn’t happen. its not a perfect world. get out of dreamland.

      our fullback position has caused us to make a makeshift defence. it affects both our defence and attack. for our attacks we don’t have Djourou bombing down the right flank like Sagna – if that makes us weaker in attack it also should make us stronger in defence – having less open space at the back – although i’ve seen miquel make a few too many runs forward. now if you’ve got centre-backs playing at fullback, another manager may think ok they’re not going to be bombing down the flanks so maybe i should shift my formation to a 4-4-2 because its not like walcott and arshavin are wingers either so there’s a lot of reason to change the formation. a 4-4-2 should in theory provide more cover for our fullbacks from midfield. and we may benefit from playing Arshavin in his position – look at our first goal – Arshavin playing centrally passes it to VP who scores. maybe Wenger thought he should stick to the formation they’ve played all season and not change it – but i’d like to have a team and players who can be flexible enough to play in different formations every week. you have to adapt to your opponents. although i would also like to point out that in my opinion we don’t have any real wingers in our team except for Miyaichi and he’s not even close to getting in the team yet. thats one of our problems as i see it. we don’t have wingers and we play people out of position.

      i agree with you on Walcott. it is frustrating to see that the guy still can’t control the ball at his feet. he can’t dribble. loses the ball too often and doesn’t seem to have improved much in all his time. but from what little knowledge i have i think its down to him being played in the wrong position. i still dont understand why he’s not played in place of arshavin on the left flank. but unlike you lot i’m not arrogant. i dont state that i have all the solutions. i say maybe wenger knows something i don’t from his 30 years in football and his weekly training sessions. you poor sods.

      i agree with you again that kids are thrown in and they either sink or swim. but they often sink. and it may be that we don’t have enough experienced players in every position guiding them on and off the pitch and in training, on how to improve. we let go of all our experienced players in a flash and brought in a few too many youngsters and hoped it would work out. it wasn’t a smooth-enough transition. thats my 2 cents. maybe now our so called experienced lot is having trouble dealing with premier league defences because they dont have enough premier league experienced players guiding them, or maybe good enough defenders to train against.

      it may be that Wenger is too stubborn. i certainly have one gripe – he has this boring / rigid way of making substitutions only at the 60th minute. if something wasn’t working and we needed to change it up – Mourinho would’ve had the balls to change it up be it the 35th minute or the 20th. it frustrates me that Wenger isn’t aggressive enough. our first half performances have been poor this season. very disappointing. we don’t have any killer instinct. we dont kill teams off when we should. miss too many chances knowing we dont have the strongest defence. but that is as much of a player problem as it is a manager problem. if we dont have the players – no matter what the manager does, it won’t work. and its mostly been a case of injuries every season. we keep getting experienced players out and backups having to do the hard work.

      its disappointing that a team such as arsenal who was challenging for titles a few years back is now far away but keeping things in perspective, where we were at the start of the season – people were expecting us to battle for relegation and not finish in the top 10 etc – i’d say we’ve done alright with what we had. i don’t know if buying anybody now is the solution. changing formation may be one solution. but i’d like to see somebody else in place of arshavin on the left flank. certainly sell off squillaci and get samba as replacement, specially since i’m not convinced by mertesacker – a bit too slow. certainly also sell chamakh and get a striker who can play in place of vanpersie. but certainly also give chu-young a chance for goodness sake. why he was played in place of chamakh i’ll never know.

      but saying silly stuff like wenger is the problem and no matter who we get in place of him we’ll do better is what i’d expect children or immature adults to say. how do we know we won’t get screwed further if we change managers. or what happens if we still dont win anything under a new manager. you talk as if we’re guaranteed to win something if we change managers. silly jibberish.

      although i wouldnt be opposed to getting somebody in to work alongside wenger. maybe somebody who can improve our defending as a team. but also somebody who can ignite a bit of fire and killer instinct.

      the other area i’d like to mention since nobody has is that we need to be doing better business from our sponsorship deals. i think the other top teams get more money out of tv deals etc than we do. saw a stat a while back which showed that manutd almost get 3 times as much as we do. thats unacceptable. we’re a team that on its day plays the best football so its remarkable that we dont have better money coming in from sponsors. that needs to be negotiated better. so that we have more income to then use to get better players.

      • shaun

        bloody hell that was long but yes I agree we are being poorly manged lol……….lol

      • Gooner 4 Life

        god u should start ur own blog…

  32. Makanaky WO

    Stevie nice one.

    Henry must have been thinking wtf happened to the Arsenal he knew…Roshitty misplaced a simple through pass and the other mongs like Djourou, Ramsey and Walcott couldnt play basic football against the MIGHTY Swansea…

  33. Also a Stevieo

    With you all the way,the club has said already it has planned for a year out of the cl.This is just not about the Swansea game,this has been going on for several years now.I don’t know what’s going behind the scenes at Arsenal, we probably never will.We as a club have been heading in this direction for sometime and noone seems to know what to do. We keep stumbling about in the same mess year in year out and the saving grace has been cl football.WERE WILL IT ALL END?

  34. partamaa

    Not an arsenal calibre team

    Follow my twitter: @Partamaa

  35. Munitionsman

    Titi fighting with disgruntled fans. Team smacked convincingly by swansea. O how Titi must wonder what the hell went wrong since he left. A club in dissarray and even Titi cannot sanitise the open sore that is is Wenger and his board cronies. I would say we are headed for mid table mediocrity but guess what? We are already there.

    wenger out

  36. Munitionsman

    half time stats on distance run.. Ramsey top spot… the next nine spots held by swansea players.

    Tells a story all of its own

    • Wanadoo

      Where did you get the “distance run” stat from?

      • Munitionsman

        Half time presentation. It was the standard stats pack at half time. Theo was 11th BTW ;)

  37. Wanadoo

    GS, you talk of not wanting to make sub-standard signings – but you forget one thing:

    We have Sub-standard players and worse!

    we need to get rid of these players!! and replace them!!

    Will you stop sticking up for Wenger’s crappy policy. Get it into your head Arsenal FC are not going to endorse, sponsor or pay you for Gunnerblog.

    And the sooner you start writing the truth about what is going on with AFC, the better!

    • J

      What a dumb thing to say, Arsenal FC don’t pay any blogs anywhere in the universe dummy.

      • fu

        Just makes you wonder why GS Arseholeblogger and the moronicly deluded goonerholic are so afraid to state the obvious about how bad wenger has become. Whats actually in it for them to constantly put a positive spin on Wenger and be forever blind to what everyone else in football journalism can see.

      • Wanadoo

        Moron, better to keep it shut before Wenger sticks his cock in your mouth.

    • Gooner 4 Life

      hey…!! GS writes his blogs out of PASSION… he’s not writing it for you or any of us. That’s HIS thots and frankly, my thots are almost exactly like his.

      Don’t talk like this is a web report or something

  38. Wanadoo

    Another great Arsene signing…..

    Meanwhile, the future of Arsenal’s young Brazilian defender Pedro Botelho is in jeopardy after the 22-year-old, on loan at Rayo Vallecano, drove into a police car and then failed a breath test.

    • Munitionsman

      o dear….. he can hang out with wellington, the great savior of AWFC

  39. J

    Too little too late, again.

    Spurs are smashing it with Parker, Van Der Vaart, Modric and Bale – a deadly midfield.

    We have Arshavin who does nothing, and we always look 1000x more dangerous with Gervinho on even though he can’t shoot for sex. Walcott is inconsistent. Ramsey is not Fabregas. We are in major, major shit.

  40. Munitionsman

    Nice post GS, managed to get through the whole thing without mentioning how utterly crap our manager is…. and how we are sliding down not with each season, but now on a game by game basis.

  41. Dansteel

    Our last 3 defeatas have been due to fullbacks. The Man City goal was the right back out of position, the Fulham defeat was the right back sent off and in the Swansea defeat the 2 goals conceded in open play were due to the left back being out of position. Our injury crisis is now costing us games. Think it’s time to play a deeper lying counterattacking style until we get some bodies back. When we have Sagna, Vermaelen, Gibbs and Wilshere back I’m confident we will be able to make up ground with that injection of quality. Until then we need to hold our spot in the table.

    • shaun

      “Until then we need to hold our spot in the table.” which would be great but not alot have faith this will happen with the home defeat to manu on the horizon .I remember playing manu the first time and thinking why the hell are we playing a high defensive line with the inexperinced players availbale surely that is cutting your own throat .I feel we are in for more of the same

  42. grumpy pessimist

    just want to make a quick addition to the fullback argument and the swansea match – the first goal we conceded shouldnt have stood as it wasnt a penalty – look for a third angle in the replay. clearly shows that dyer in fact kicks ramsey’s leg and once he realizes that there is contact he tries to dive and luckily for him a penalty is given.
    the second goal may have been due to the fullback being out of position and i’ll need to watch it again to confirm but what i also noticed was that walcott was not in his position either which is why arshavin couldnt pass it anywhere else. it was a bad pass he played and maybe he should’ve just lobbed it to VP but wtf was walcott doing standing there alongside VP when he should be on the right side. arshavin passes it into space and unfortunately ramsey doesnt hold on to it and i’ve got to watch it again to see why miquel isnt covering his man. but for the 3rd goal, look for the highlights that show what happened from their kickoff. our midfield was the reason we conceded that goal. i dont know what rosicky is doing in the center. leaving only henry to defend on the left side. which causes miquel to push up field and leave a gap. and even then when koscielny is running for the ball he starts slowing down once he see’s szczesny coming for it – that was another mistake by both. the keeper shouldnt have come out. what was he thinking. he should’ve stayed and he would’ve saved the shot. he came out, realized he should’ve stayed back and got his angles wrong and it went past him. you can’t really fault miquel for that one.

  43. Bristol Gooner

    Anyone that is posting here that Rambo is not good enough, was also among the numpties that used to question the qualities of Henry, Pires and Bergkamp in their first few months at The Home of Footbal can just eff right off.

    Ramsey is class, he played at the weekend in a team that comprised Arshavin, Walcott and Benayoun; all three of whom were, as has been widely stated on this thread, absolute $hite against Swansea. It is only testament to Ramseys very real abilities that we were not entirely over-run in midfield, he personally carried 3 passengers.

    Likewise, if you can’t see that Miquel is class, and he did a pretty decent job at the weekend, didn’t get skinned at all, got caught out of position a couple of times, but then he probably wasn’t expecting the midfielders to drop him in the brown stuff by conceding possession. Just think back to Cashley Coles first 2 or 3 seasons, he had zero positional sense. Miquel reminds me of Uncle Bouldy in his ability to read the game, look at the number of interceptions he made, proper footballing brain on that boy, some of you lot might like to get any sort of brain before posting.

    complain about the

  44. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    WG… are you still posting here? nin? stringer where for art thou!!

  45. daddymcc

    Oxy-Chamberlain should always start ahead of Walcott as he is a naturally gifted player and not just a speed merchant. He creates much more when on the pitch and I do not understand what Wenger is supposedly protecting him from?! Walcott might make a better right back!

  46. RVB

    Mid Jan and 10 points behind the scums. When was the last time this happened? And it’s not like they became Citeh overnight. WTF is going on.

    Of course we can’t win every game but come on and fight. You can only see true spirit in too few players in the team. And that has to go down to the manager. Team spirit is what you manage.

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  48. True Gunner

    I know we can’t blame the ref 100% but wtf if he wasn’t 100% sure how could he give the penalty…. either you see it 100% or you can’t give anything… Simulation is becoming too common place and Arsenal are not good at it, about time they bring in replay challenges instead of partly determining outcome of games with referee decisions.

    Ramsey could have been put off his game in part because of that decision.

    I also noted most of the fouls/decisions went in favour of swansea… which in part probably put the team off their game somewhat.

  49. mobsidian

    hey true gunner.

    i noticed that too. too many decisions were going swansea’s way.

    ramsey had his worst game so far.

    theres no need to panic buy/loan at this poitn.

    vermaelen, wilshere, sagna, gibbs should all be back for february and hopefully they can help push the team on.

    arsenal has been reset to 2006. why? because we lost our youth project (fabregas, nasri, clichy, flamini, adebayor, cole) to fame and money. Wenger hoped they would have been more loyal but failed. In most of the cases we lost them because we didn’t agree to paying them more.

    if those 6 players had stayed like RVP has, who knows what they could have won together. so, it really comes down to the fault of the person(s) who didn’t pay the players more.

    what was the motivation behind that? player selling profits, ofcourse. i dont think that was wengers idea. theres more going on in the background than we could know. we might never know.

    this is what our team should have looked like:

    —————-RVP—————–
    nasri———fabregas——-walcott
    —————song—————–
    cole—vermaelen—koscielny—sagna
    ————-sczcesny—————

    subs: Adebayor, flamini, mertesacker, arteta, clichy, almunia

  50. Herb

    This latest result was not too surprising at all which says a lot about how bad things have become. Wenger should have moved on a couple of years back at least. Various players are letting us down. In particular Walcott who is clueless and should be used as an impact sub at most, although what kind of impact he would make is anyones guess. I could name another 10 players who are not up to standard but at the end Of the day it’s wengers and the boards fault we have the squad we have. Saying that though I would imagine a better manager would get more out of some of our players.

    I would love to finish above spurs and also finish in the top 4 but both are unlikely now. Once we are out of the champions league it will be harder to sign quality players. We’ve had years of champions league football to help persuade players to sign for us and have rarely taken advantage of that. I’m struggling to see too many reasons to sign for us now without champions league football and with little chance of silverware.

  51. Stevieo

    Great point Herb. How many times do you hear that it is imperative to finish in the top 4, to enable us to attract quality players?

    Let’s look at our deadline summer signings that created mass euphoria;

    Firstly, our top 4 finish last season managed to persuade Ju Young Park to turn his back on Ligue 2 football and join Arsenal.

    Thankfully, Benayoun turned down the opportunity to play reserve football at Chelsea. We’d have never tempted him away from Stamford Bridge without the guarantee of CL football.

    Mertesacker left mid table Bremen to join us. Arteta left mid table Everton to join us. No doubt it was a prerequisite that CL football had to be supplied for a move. His experience of CL football with Rangers 10 years back held him in good stead.

    The only guy who had CL football guaranteed at his old club was Santos.

    So this finishing top 4 to attract quality players is a myth created by the Arsenal PR machine which spineless bloggers take as gospel.

    I guarantee, all these 5 signings would have signed for us last summer, even without CL football. Even without CL football, for 4 of these players it would still have been a step up from where they were. And add to that the ludicrous salaries we pay, it would have been a no-brainer.

    Koscielny, Squillaci and Chamack were the quality players we attracted the previous summer, thanks to the enticement of CL football.

    All we do is spunk millions on unproven youth, and when we buy experience, it is the mediocre type. And it will be the same all over again this summer.

    So not only have the club got the financial loss of non qualification covered, without CL football, we will still be able to attract the same quality of players that we have been doing for the last 2 years. It’s just win, win, win each and every way you look at things.

    • Munitionsman

      Get in

    • Bona

      Again you go on with your tragic agruments that takes away the fact that you might be wright. There are so many untrue arguments and many of them don`t make any sence at all.

      I agree Park is not a great player, but he didn`t reject a ligue 2 club to join us, he rejected Lille who he was going to.
      And than you start on Per. Werder is not a mid table team in germany, and if it was, so fucking what, does that in any way say anything about the player?
      So Chelsea`s new boy Chaill must be trash since he came from relegation team Bolton.
      And Rooney is shit because he came from mid table team Everton. And i could go on and on and on. Zidane had to be crap since he came from mid table side in french ligue 1, hello!!!!!!!!
      I would agree with you that Park, Benayoun are not great players, but that is not because they came from this or that club, that makes no sence at all, and that my fellow spurs fan is why your arguments are so fucking funny.

  52. Wanadoo

    To all of you that say it’s NOT the referee’s fault – Please read this:

    Apparently over the last couple of years, this referee has been giving special coaching sessions to Walcott, Arshavin and Chamakh …..and Denilson before him. He secretly, is also in charge of the buying policy of the club. Over the last 7 years, the referee has also been responsible for selling all of our best players and replacing them with Rosicky, Bendtner and Almunia, to name but a few.

    So please don’t give me all this shit about it not being the referee’s fault!

  53. grumpy pessimist

    “We heal as a team, or we’re gonna crumble. Inch by inch, play by play. Until we’re finished. We’re in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. And, we can stay here, get the shit kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb outta hell… one inch at a time…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTDuYpJd72w&feature=player_embedded

  54. Wegin van Wegsie

    ——Weg
    Weg-Weg-Weg-Weg
    –Weg-Weg-Weg
    –Weg-Weg-Weg

    How that for a first team, chaps?

  55. 03g014

    Pls don’t compare gerrard with ramsey. He is responsible for the second goal. He is just an average player. If he was in united then SAF wudnt have taken him starting XI.

  56. A Force!

    There are some apologetic AKB’s nowadays. Blaming referee’s etc. Fact of the matter is our squad is of a standard of a Europa league team. Our depleted team is of a standard of a mid table team. RVP’s incredible form is the only reason we are within touching distance of the top 4.

    Can you believe that if it wasn’t for the 8-2 mauling. We would have gone into the rest of the season with the team we had then. Arsene is deluded.

    Anyone seen the latest comments from PHW? Warning explicit content:

    “We have been planning for not qualifying (for the CL) every year, so it’s not a disaster, but it would be nice if we could.”

    F*** Me! So the chairman of Arsenal Football Club was anticipating us finishing outside the top 4. What’s worse is that it would have been acceptable as he was ‘expecting’ it.

    Imagine if your Arsene, no pressure whatsoever, if he finishes outside the top 4 it’s OK cos the chairman expected it. This club is an absolute shambles.

    3rd highest wage bill and we expect to finish outside the top 4. Unbelievable.

    All the AKB’s are saying wait till Vermaelen,Santos and Wilshere come back.

    Why are they out in the first place? Wilshere because Arsene made him play 50 games as a 18 year old. 50 GAMES! No wonder he’s injured. Arsene ran him into the wall.

    Santos because Arsene decided to take him to Greece when we were already qualified. Why not play miquel who is now playing nearly every game.

    Vermaelen because Arsene bought an injury prone player.

    It’s sad when we see such a shit Arsenal team and finishing outside the top 4 is expected and accepted.

    Meanwhile spuds are 10 points clear of us and we are 1 point ahead of Newcastle.

    All hail Arsene the manager of the decade!

    Oh and if we finish outside the top 4 which is more than likely RVP is off 100%. Real Madrid and Barcelona are already keeping tabs.

    Can’t wait till the summer! In Arsene we trust!

  57. JMIM

    So now the likes of Cheney have come out to say ‘we don’t deserve to be out of the top 4′? What utter bollocks. We deserve to be where we are or worse based on the spineless inept performances. Its precisely this kind of complacent arrogant attitude thats festering at Arsenal that we’ve become so rotten.

    I like What does he mean Arsenal deserves to be top 4? Its precisely this kind of arrogant complacent attitude that Arsenal are floundering. I like Szczesny but like the rest of the squad, he’s got to learn to keep his mouth shut, tweet less, and focus on eliminating the errors that have plagued his game in recent times.

    Wenger out

  58. supporter of arsenal - not wenger

    b4 some1 tries to rubbish what u sed JMIM

    you are 100% right – and its not szeney or any of the players fault – it is this arrogance that has been installed by WENGER…who insists on moddy coddling his players…wrapp em in cotton wool and tel em they’re the best thing since slice bread…

    wenger installs this arrogance

    wenger out (but it wont happen cos we got numpties for fans who wont see daylight …being so far up wengers backside)

    until the clubs drag right down and stays their – then the boards…half decent players and our £7million a yr manager will do a runner!!

    • JMIM

      Yes the fans are the only ones with the power to force change seeing as how the board are only concerned with lining their pockets. Too many of them still blindly support Wenger though.

      My guess is that it will take a couple of seasons of mid-table mediocrity with our best players being stripped from the club systematically and supporters still being forced to pay sky-high ticket prices, before folks come round to their senses and force this deluded maniac from the club

  59. Bona

    I agree with you. But is it the board dragging us down or is it AW dragging us down, I am not sure. AW knows that many of our players arn`t good enough, but the board will not splash the cash, and we all know we can`t compete with City anyway. And would you support AW if he said that half our team is retards, cunts, sluts etc in the paper, as you call them? Would you be happy than?

    To all who question AW, that includes me as well. Why are the same people who question AW for letting Cesc, nasri all our best players leave and replace them with unheard of players. They are at the same time praising the Spurs board for not selling Modric? I don`t know who is running the show, but I guess that the board decides what to spend/sell and what we can pay etc.

    I know we are all fed up with this club going downwards, but that is likely to continue as long as we don`t get our own sugar-daddy.

    The very anti AW fans, I wish you took a look at both sides of the coin when you debate what should and shouldn`t be done at the club. Is there a point to throw AW if the board dosn`t go with him, I am sure it is not. And i would throw the board long before AW, that said i would prefer both.

    But AW was not shy of spending when he first came here, nor to sell poor players either. These days it seems like his hand is tied to selling and not replacing them equally.

    AW knew Park is not good enough for arsenal, but for 3 mill, who is? I don`t know the exact situation at Arsneal, and I don`t know everything about everything in world, but that is not a problem cause there are plenty of “Gods2 on this page who does. And only when we loose, apart from Wannado. And you guys should lead the line since you know everything and everyone else are cunt, fuck and sluts. Why don`t you organise a demonstration at Em come sunday. Like you were supposed to do before the home game to Swansea, I never saw nobody, because I was there to join you, never saw a thing.

    • Kem - Wenger is a cunt

      Wenger knew that Park wasn’t good enough for Arsenal at 3m ? WHY FUCKING SIGN THE GUY THEN ?

      He would have been better off giving Benik Afobe some games!!

      • Bona

        That was beside the point I was making, and frankly i do not know what AW knew or didn`t as far as Park goes, and it hasn`t been important since RVP seems to be injury free. My point was that if AW spending limit was 3 mill, Park was as good as it gets for us. 7 years ago he would spend 10 mill on Wiltord, that was a lot of money than. What I was trying to say is that the board tells AW what to spend, and concisering that, he has done well. yet again I don`t know who is running the show at arsenal, the board or AW, I don`t know. I know you do but that is what it is like to be god.

  60. Kem - Wenger is a cunt

    Good to see A-Force & Wanadoo are still posting here…..props for being able to write something new about the broken record for the last 7 years, which is Arsenal.

  61. mobsidian

    we need someone to set themselves on fire infront of AW’s bust to get the Arsenal Winter movement going! Any volunteers?

  62. mobsidian

    P.S. TH12 already injured! ha!! joke medical team! so much for running around in training like a 20 year old when you’re pushing 35!!!

  63. mag

    Whatever you guys are saying just wont come true. Lets just hope wenger isnt the man who built Arsenal and tear arsenal down

  64. Wanadoo

    It is too late for AW, he’s finished…

    Even if he wanted to, who would come to us now?

    No CL football and no decent players. We basically have one player RVP. And please don’t mention Wilshire; do you honestly think any decent foreign players will be thinking; “Oh! I can’t wait to play alongside Wilshire!” – They probably haven’t even heard of him! It’s only us and the British press building him up.

    So basically Wenger has no chance to turn things around; even if someone shook him vigorously to wake him up.

    The only way to turn things around in a short space of time is to get in a new manager who will attract players because of who he is or because he’s worked with them before. Otherwise we’re looking at a long stretched out overhaul, over a number of years; that’s assuming the new manager has the nous of course!

    But first things first, we’ve got to get rid of that moron, before he does more damage.

    • Bona

      Don`t be so dramatic, jesus christ, for 7 mill a year there is plenty of people ready to jump on board. Maybe you should put up your name for the job;)

      I think you are more deluded than AW, “no decent players”, that is utter bullshit. And the worst thing is that so many idiots on this page think that you are correct. Wake up. We have the best right back, best centre back, best striker in this league and some pretty good midfielders. That said this league is going downhill, but still;)

      • Wanadoo

        Haha….I think you better look up the word deluded.

        Let’s start off with the most obvious…

        We have the best Centre forward – what do you base that on? The fact that he’s managed to put together two half seasons and scored a hat full of goals in that time?
        Well, I’m sorry my friend, but it’s about bloody time. Did you know that RVP has not played in exactly half the games since with Arsenal. So having a striker for 7 years who has only played for 3.5 yrs is like having The Best Centre Forward?….So sorry If I don’t share your enthusiasm but he is not The best Centre Forward in the league

        In his time he has scored the equivalent of 11 goals per season in all comps. Does that make him best in the league?

        Besides in that same time, Wayne Rooney has given 115 goals to Man Utd compared to the 84 of RVP plus has a better goal to game ratio.

        Next….

        On the Right back….You might be right.

        Next….

        Best centre back….No way….

        Another injury prone player who is injured 50% of the time – Cannot be in the best category if you are always injured.

        Next….

        Some pretty good midfielders

        err…like who? Ramsey, Arshavin, Rosicky, Song, Diaby….ROTFPMSWL

        Oh, you mean Wilshere….yes he is good, but no more than that.

        btw, it depends what your benchmark for the word decent is? If it’s Stoke decent then we’ve got some pretty good players – If it’s Arsenal decent, then the majority are not worthy of getting anywhere near to the shirt, let alone put it on!

        • Bona

          According to Oxford Dics: Deluded- “she had been deluding herself that he loved her”. And you are that;)

          RVP- Well, if your good or not is not decided by how many injuries you have.Or would you suggest that Rosicky is better than Messi if Messi was more injured than Rosicky, I didn“t think so. But if you want to look at stats, Rooney: 115 goals in 235 starts. RVP 117 goals in 190 starts. You can do the math yourself.

          On TV5 maybe he isn`t better than every other defender in the league, but he certainly ain`t worse than any either. The defenders quality is not the problem at arsenal, it is the organication of the whole defence as a unit, the whole team if you want.

          And when I say decent, well Song, Arteta and Wilshere. Is not short of any midfield in england, apart from city. So than we have a decent midfield. It is bettet tham Utd, as good as Chelseas and weaker than city.

          • Wanadoo

            Song – Arteta – Wilshere

            Haha…second or third best in the league??lol…Bona, you’re being quite ridiculous now.

            I see you didn’t mention Spurs, I presume you feel that we are weaker than their midfield?

            And you didn’t mention Swansea’s midfield – yes, the midfield that tore us apart last week….
            With every post….You’re sounding more like Wenger and his bumboy GS.

            And yes, being injury prone does make a difference whether you are great or not. If Messi only played for 10 games a season, I doubt there would be queue’s of top teams waiting to sign him.
            Don’t forget when RVP is not playing we end up with Chamakh playing. So we end up with 3.5yrs of RVP and 3.5yrs of a Chamakh type player – personally I’d prefer to have 7 years of Rooney rather than 50% combination of RVP/Chamakh (If it were 80:20 – then I could accept that!)

  65. supporter of arsenal - not wenger

    WANADOO U R…

    CONSTANTLY HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!! LOL
    ——

    Bona you seem to still be trying to clutch on to the little admiration you have of the “out of date” manager – wenger…

    i guess its gonna take another spanking from man u and finishing below spurs to fully convert you but hey…

    like what many are realising …

    WE WILL STAGNATE AND RUST UNDER WENGER – FACT

    • Bona

      Well I don`t think it will make any difference if the board doesn`t go with AW. No one is clutching to anythung. AW is old anyway, so a new guy would be ok, but it woun`t get any better as far as signings goes because that is what we can spend. But tactically we can find a better manager and i suppose that can`t be worse than what is happening at present.

      Under AW and the current board we will rust no matter who is in charge.

      • supporter of arsenal - not wenger

        Oh my bad BONA.. i though you still one of the AKB’s but you are talking the sensible talk…

        well yh i agree

        i would go further to say even the likes Owen Coyle or Paul Lambert, as low as their reputation is so far…i reckon either one could install a very much “men out of boys” philosphy…install a steel-never-say-die mentality…and also PULL UP players who don’t pull their weight and give em the buloocking they deserve “which is clearly apparent wenger doesn’t – soft panzie of a manager he is..kmt)

        so yh reach the stage where i’d say i dont care who comes in..it won’t be as bad as wenger

        dont get me wrong wenger is (or more like was) a top manager…but he has lost track of times…

        moans about everything whereas other managers in worst situations just get on with it and take ownus and responsibilty when their team doesn’t live up to the FANS expectations – take MICK MCCARTHY …he always tells it how it is whereas wenger is the king of “beating round the bush” – and the papers MOCK him for that – its embarrassing… not for him mind you – cos thats the way he is and always been – a pussy..he looks fragile from the get go and he has always been a softy

        we need a hardman is all

        imagine the likes of wallcott n rosicky won’t like that tho…their so used a manager telling em the sun shines out their backside ..even on their worst days!

        • Bona

          I have never been an AKB, you and others just can`t read….;) I wanted to sack AW in 2002, prematurly I know. But I don`t want arsenal to become Stoke etc. Do you guys realy want that sort of change? Do you want us to become a non-footballing side that sucks.

          My main reason to follow football is entertainment, and I am far from entertained when i watch Stoke, Birmingham, Sunderland, Wolves or even chelsea, Inter and R Madrid under Morinhio. For me weekly good football has been more fun. I don`t want to see twelve 0-0 games where me or the camera, filming or watching the sky for 90 min like in the Graham days. That would just be terrible. I would rather be entertained for 90 min two games a week than to win any tournoument, that is for sure. And you can say what you want but AW has done that. But we are in decline and changes is needed, but not back to english footballs glory days in the 80`s.

  66. Wegin van Wegsie

    Arsechums,

    I am not an AKB. Neither am I a pessimist. I am an Australian man with an extraordinarily large penis who happens to support the Arsenal. And being an Australian, I happen to be smarter, funnier and much, much more well-endowed that the lot of you. So listen to my words of wisdom….

    You are passionate about the Arsenal, and I applaud you for your passion, but you are deluded if you think that anything you say or do can affect the Arsenal. You and the Arsenal live on two different circles of influence, and the only times they intersect is when the Arsenal play a match at the Ems.

    Arsenal are stocked with mediocre players that can’t be moved, have suffered many injuries to key positions, and are currently suffering because of it. We WILL play much better once we don’t have to field Miquel and Djourou at fullback. And we WILL play much better once Jacks comes back into the side. It is only a matter of time before we once again reach the heady heights of 4th place.

    You might ask whether a club of our resources should be content with 4th place? Especially since we have a billionaire foreign owner much like the rest of the Top 4 and have every recourse to financial doping? I would ask the same question as well, but tactfully and more insightfully, in a manner befitting a classy middle-class Australian man.

    • Munitionsman

      MAKE THAT TWO BILLIONAIRES!!!!!

  67. Munitionsman

    The board does what it does because Wenger allows them too. He supports them. If he came out and slagged them off for not investing then they would soon change tune.

    But wait!! That cunt has 35mill rotting away that he wont spend, so how exactly are the board going to be held to blame until he spends that FUCKING MONEY

  68. Gunner no 1

    Wot do people think about us maybe signing Ba from Newcastle have read it a couple of times in the last few days???
    I think he’s a good player who can obviously score goals I got him in my dream team and he’s got me a fair few points,do we think he could fit in well at arsenal????

    • Stevieo

      Demba Ba will looking to progress his career with a club looking to challenge for trophies.

      I would be surprised if he took a sidestep to Arsenal?

  69. Gooner 4 Life

    Seriously… im looking for another 8-2 so Wenger will splash the cash to save his neck…

    • supporter of arsenal - not wenger

      no Seriously we should be looking for another 8-2 so wenger can fuck off…and stop regressing the “business”…i mean club

  70. Bona

    Dear Wannadoo, it is a given that an injury prone player is bad for the team. But we were not talking about that we were talking about individuals. I of chourse agree with you that RVP in the past has been injury prone makes the team weaker. But that has nothing to do with the talent of the individual. If it is like you say, surly Song is a better player than Cesc was since Cesc only played 60% of the games in a good season, please mate get a gripp.

    I forgot about spurs yes, not used to comparing with them;) and sure they have a better midfield than us, mainly because of Modric, but still. And they play more like 4-4-2 which I am all pro.

    And surly Wannadoo, by your statement you should be very satisfied with AW. He has a team on the same level as Blac`b, but we are still in the top half of the table. You should be celebrating all night long.

    No seriously it is grim days ahead, the utd game will be very tough that is for sure. And with the teame we can out, the defeence and midfield is hardly better than the OT one, so we should expect a big defeat. And i hope AW understands that that would be unaccaptable. And as I said to you earlier in november maybe, ig we gained position on LFC and spurs and signed a new striker in early Jan i would stil prefer AW. Well nothing is happening, and we need even more reinforcment at full back as well these days. I am not as nati AW as you, but still he has had enough time by now, but than again it woun`t change alot unless the board goes with him.

  71. Stevieo

    Anyone got any news on any of our imminent signings?

    After Wenger performed miracles on deadline day in the summer with ‘worldclass’ additions as they were described back then, I was reliably informed on this forum back then, that come January Wenger would be adding Hazard, Goetze and Cahill to turn this outfit in to a title chasing machine?

    Or have these transfers been postponed until the summer to keep the balance sheet looking healthy?

  72. WRINKLY VOYEUR

    well…. errrr…. overall I belieeeeve it depends upon what you call “world class”

  73. Wanadoo

    Arsene says:

    Errm….well, we have a lot of quality in the team. The team has amazing spirit and they work very hard. I cannot fault their work-rate. We have a some key injuries and when they come back it will be like signing new players. The fans need to be patient because when we have our full squad we are as strong as anyone. In May the fans can judge me

    After the interview…..He sees the maintenance main walking by…

    There was a little bit of dust on my bust – could you clean it.

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